101 excuses to attempt to justify not vaccinating Part 2

and so we continue with what are mostly bullshit, fabrication, pretense and tongue in cheek reasons why you should apparently  not vaccinate .. we've got to point 38 and haven't found a single reason yet why not to vaccinate.  Lets read on, there may be something hidden in the bullshit.

39. Reason number 39 really should have been reasons numbers 1 through to 101 and    beyond…and that is that the medical profession still has no clue how the immune system really works, let alone understand the fragile immune system of a 6-week old baby! Do you really think it’s a wise idea to inject foreign DNA, heavy metals, antibiotics, GMO’s, preservatives, etc. into something if you don’t know how it works? (Read this excellent blog by Hilary Butler:http://www.beyondconformity.co.nz/_blog/Hilary’s_Desk/post/Eminence_based_medicine,_part_2/)   Oh, so now they are relying on the founder of their organisation, one Hilary "i would never vaccinate" Butler to justify what is nothing more than uneducated supposition.   I think that what the medical profession knows is probably something we should ask them, they've mapped out the human genome so they have a far better understanding than the IAS would have us believe.    I think that rather than basing our immunisation decisions on what we think someone does or doesn't know, perhaps we should focus on the actual facts?    Reason to not vaccinate? No.

40. Vaccines are NOT “free,” like the Ministry of Health, Pharmaceutical companies, doctors, etc. would have us believe. They cost the NZ tax payer millions! Oh, and we also have to pay for the damage they cause.   Nothing in life is free, paying to protect our children from vaccine preventable diseases that maim and kill seems like a good investment to me.  I hear a lot about these 'vaccine injured' children, but the IAS continues to speak about them as if they exist, but they can't drag out one single example.   Fact versus fiction, it seems a no brainer to me.  Reason not to vaccinate?  No
41. Pharmaceutical companies cannot be trusted! Yes, I know I mentioned it in reason number 15, but just wanted to throw it in here again – this time with a fantastic video interview with Dr Russell Blaylock on fraudulent vaccine science and ethics – a must watch:http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=DFBE7C32CBDBF43B7342333B7D827EB0     So to get to 101, they have to re-iterate the same old tired and worthless rubbish.  This one doesn't count, as it's a repeat ...     so we're back at 40.  Reason to not vaccinate?  No.
42. Oh and if you need some more evidence of the untrustworthiness of pharmaceutical companies, read the book entitled “Diary of a Legal Drug Dealer” – http://diaryofalegaldrugdealer.com/category/1/2-2/ - another repeat, so we're still at 40.  Reason to not vaccinate?  No.  Reason to be concerned about the lucidity of the writer of the article - Yes.  
43. Vaccination bypasses all the body’s natural defence systems – it’s a totally unnatural process – something we were not designed to have to deal with.   This is actually 41.  In the same way that having a vaccine preventable diseaese is an unnatural process.  There is plenty of real evidence to show that the benefits of vaccination are many, and the negatives are few.   Reason to not vaccinate?  No.  Reason to slap a stupid anti-vaccinator ..   maybe.
44. Antibiotics are blamed for creating superbugs, yet they are routinely added to vaccines!    This is actually 42.   They are also routinely used to save the lives of many, what's their point do you think?   Reason to not vaccinate - No.
45. Big Pharma keeps on increasing the amount of recommended “boosters” as it’s just such a fabulous way for them to make more money without having to do any extra work. See this excellent blog: http://www.beyondconformity.co.nz/BlogRetrieve.aspx?PostID=295040&A=SearchResult&SearchID=5182822&ObjectID=295040&ObjectType=55)   We've covered the supposed untrustworthyness of big pharma before, talk about doing a subject to death.     Reason to not vaccinate - No.
46. There is no consideration for a child’s mass when they are given a vaccine – a 6-week old baby is given the same dose as a 5 year old (read more at this bloghttp://www.ias.org.nz/vaccines/chemicals-in-vaccines-part-1-aluminium/).  This is 43.   Lot of straws being grasped here.  I was going to look this one up and try and figure out what the fuck they were on about, but noticed that once again, they're using their own site to justify their point.   So rather than wasting my time, i'll just remind everyone that we have plenty of trials and real life examples of the fact that these immunisations do not harm babies.  In fact, they save lives.   Reason to not vaccinate?  No.  Reason to laugh at the anti vaccinators desperation - Yes.
47. Even an Immunologist with a PhD admits that vaccines “compromiseour natural immunity!”  Buy an e-copy of Dr Obukhanych’s book “Vaccine Illusion” to find out more –https://sites.google.com/site/vaccineillusion/home    This is actually 44.   This one seems more like an advertisement than a reason and is typical of the anti vaxers.   The information that is supposedly so important to the life and wellbeing needs to be purchased,    A quick google of this Dr Obukhanych finds little reference on credible sites and they are a single person in a world of over 7 billion, I think i might save my money.  Reason to not vaccinate?  No.
48. Childhood illnesses actually help to strengthen a child’s immune system.   This is actually 45, although i suspect it's a bit of a repeat.   Well, that's assumming they survive them, which many in the past have not and some in the present still do not.  Immunisation also helps to strengthen the child's immune system.   Reason to vaccinate?  No.
49. The short term immunity that is sometimes gained from vaccination in childhood only means it is much harder for the body to deal with when that immunity has waned and you get the illness as an adult,.     This is 46 although it really is just an extension of 45.  This one is a little silly as well, I suspect the writer had hit the wacky tabacky by now.    The emotive nature of the statement befits the kindy playground, not the adult arena.   It's also blatantly incorrect in many instances, and in the instance of chicken pox is beyond incorrect.    Shingles is a result of childhood infection with chicken pox, it is not a side effect of the immunisation.   Having to have boosters for some immunisations is a small price to pay for knowing that we haven't infected and damaged / killed someone elses child.    Reason to not vaccinate?  No.  Reason to ignore the anti vaccinators - Yes.
50. Reason number 50 comes from the IAS’s informative brochure, which can be downloaded free here: http://www.ias.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/ias-brochure-2011.pdf -

“Vaccines are commonly believed to work by producing antibodies. However, a number of researchers have found that the presence of antibodies only indicates that the immune system has come into contact with an antigen.”

What this means is that we are told of vaccines producing antibodies, which in turn will protect us against disease, is a lie! The presence of antibodies does NOT equal immunity!We know what the signs and symptoms of the so called “vaccine preventable” diseases (e.g. measles, influenza, pertussis etc.) are. We know the best the treatments (natural or pharmaceutical) for each. However, once vaccinated, possible side effects from the vaccinations (all noted in the insert leaflets) are many and various, and may or may not be successfully dealt with.    The government has determined that the IAS do not give out accurate and unbiased nformation on immunisation, their brochure is not a reliable document to use when researching immunisation..  Reason not to immunise - No.     And by the way, ,this is only 46.

101 Reasons not to vaccinate? Reasons? or excuses? Part 1

This list is from the New Zealand anti-vaccination lobby group - the deceptively named Immunisation Awareness Society.  It reads a little like a lot of kids in a class room got together to think of excuses, some are actually quite ludicrous ... 

Which of course ,they admit when they say "Ok, I admit…some of these reasons are a bit tongue in cheek…" 

Which makes you wonder what their goal is, certainly not to be taken seriously ...

1. NO vaccine is 100% safe     -  no medical procedure is without risk, however the risk to immunisation is minuscule compared to the risk of side effects for the vaccine preventable disease    Reason not to vaccinate?   No.
2. NO vaccine is 100% effective - no medical procedure is 100% effective, however the risk of catching vaccine preventable diseases decreases with a higher immunisation level in the community.   Reason not to vaccinate?   No. 
3. ALL vaccines have severe life-threatening side-effects - this is an out and out lie, some vaccines have a miniscule risk of severe or life threatening side effects, but you know, I've never met a person who had a severe reaction to any of the immunisations on the childhood vaccine schedule, and I am certainly not aware of a single death.  Reason not to vaccine?   No.   Concern to discuss with your doctor - Yes. 
4. Any “immunity” gained from a vaccine is short term only.  Again, this is a lie.  Immunity differs per person. Some immunity is lifelong, other wanes over time.  Reason to not vaccinate - even if it were true WHICH IT FUCKINGWELL ISN'T (to quote Penn & Teller), it's not reason not to vaccinate.
5. There are no long term studies that have been done on the effects of vaccination (http://www.ias.org.nz/vaccines/vaccine-safety/) - It's a bit arrogant to use your own website to justify your own bullshit, but the long term effects of immunisation have been studied and can be seen within the immunised community - reason not to vaccinate?  No.
6. Vaccine safety trials are only carried out on healthy babies, children and adults yet once approved, they are given to everyone – healthy or not.   Another lie.   Children with medical concerns are routinely not immunised, they rely on the herd immunity to remain safe.  Reason not to vaccinate?   No.
7. Vaccine safety trials are paid for by the very people who make the vaccines, so there is no possibility of the information being unbiased or truthful.  Another lie.  A common one amongst anti-vaccinationists.   Safety trials are run under the scrutiny of government organisations under strict guidelines.   Reason not to vaccinate, No.
8. Unvaccinated children are much healthier than vaccinated children (www.vaccineinjury.info) This is one of the biggest bits of bullshit in a very large steaming pile.    It's not only not true, but it's amusing that they use an unreliable blatantly anti vaccination website to support this piece of garbage.  Reason not to vaccinate.  No  
9. Vaccination is NOT responsible for the decline in infectious diseases (http://www.naturalnews.com/037883_vaccines_infectious_disease_20th_century.html) You know when they rely on these unreliable blatantly anti vaccination websites that they're bullshitting you, we've found another one.   Vaccination is responsible for the decline in infectious diseases,.  Reason to not vaccinate - No.
10. The polio vaccine of the 1950’s and 60’s was contaminated by the SV40 virus which is now confirmed to have caused cancer in many people who had received the vaccine. New viruses are being discovered all the time, so it’s a matter of Russian roulette on when such a virus will sneak into another vaccine (http://www.sv40foundation.org/CPV-link.html) - The polio vaccination given now is not the same as given in the 50's and 60's, so this is just a diversion.  Reason not to vaccinate?  No.
11. The cells of an aborted human fetus was used to make the rubella vaccine (part of the MMR vaccine) (http://www.ias.org.nz/vaccination-2/vaccination-and-religion/) - Note again, their use of their own site to justify their statement.  Reliability factor = zero.  Reason to not vaccinate?  No.  Reason to investigate further?  Perhaps, but use reliable and reputable websites and if you remain concerned, talk to your GP.
12. Cow cells, monkey cells and chick embryo cells are all found in various vaccines – how can anyone really know the long term effects of injecting this foreign DNA into a 6 week old baby’s body?  A statement without validation.  Which vaccines?  Where?   If it sounds like bullshit, it usually is.    We have been receiving these immunisations for decades, if you want to know the long term effects of immunisation, look around you.  It may be worthwhile also noting that we routinely eat cow and chicken so i'm not sure what the point is here.    If you have concerns about the contents of immunisation, their contents are listed on the internet and you can investigate what is in them by visiting reputable websites and reading up on them. Reason not to vaccinate - No.
13. Add some heavy metals, antibiotics and preservatives to # 12 above and you have a toxic cocktail called a vaccine.   This one is just the same old tired bullshit that the anti vaccinationists ply.  They seem incapable of understanding the difference between an organic and non organic product and .02mg seems the same in their mind to 2 tonne.   There is more risk of being hit by a toilet seat falling of an airplane than having an adverse reaction to a vaccine, but you won't hear them point that little fact out.  Reason not to vaccinate?  No.  Reason to talk to your GP, if you're concerned.
14. Oh, and don’t forget to add some GMO’s to the above as well!    I think they may just have burped out of their backside.   Same deal as 12 & 13.
15. PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES CANNOT BE TRUSTED! They have proven over and over again that they are only in it for the money (http://www.naturalnews.com/033516_BMJ_financial_ties.html andhttp://www.naturalnews.com/035690_Merck_Vioxx_marketing.html).    And yet, they want you to trust an organisation that is set up on the internet, relies on unreputable agenda driven websites that's main focus is collecting your money in the form of donations.   I have never seen any shred of evidence that pharmaceutical companies cannot be trusted, and aren't going to change my mind just because some anti vaccination bimbo says so in capitals with an exclamation mark on the internet.  Reason to note vaccinate - No.    Have we noticed that we have got to point 15 and there is no mention of the risks to the diseases .. interesting oversight, lets read on and see if that changes.
16. An Italian court has ruled that MMR was the cause of autism in this man’s case:  http://www.naturalnews.com/036255_MMR_autism_court_case.html. This too is a lie.  The Italian court determined that there was a high likelihood that the MMR immunisation adversely affected this child due to a pre-existing underlying medical condition.    Even then, while this may well be true, the court has to weed through the 'evidence' and in cases of permanent damage to children, they do tend to err on the side of caution.  This does not prove that MMR causes autism, in fact there have been 12 distinct studies since Wakefield jimmied his results, and not one could find a link.   Reason not to vaccinate - No.
17. In New Zealand, “a fully vaccinated child in 1961 would have received 12 vaccines for four diseases (four jabs and three sips) up until the age of five.” (“Investigate before your vaccinate” – book by Sue Claridge). The current vaccine schedule includes 11 injections for 10 diseases by age four (http://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/preventative-health-wellness/immunisation/new-zealand-immunisation-schedule). This will continue to increase as the pharmaceutical companies realise they can make more money if they inject our children with more vaccines.   This is nothing more than speculation by a woman with a clearly defined anti vaccination agenda.   Indeed within a list of 101 reasons not to vaccinate what may or may not happen in the future isn't even relevant.    It's an anti vaccination misconception that pharmaceutical companies make big dollars out of immunisation, there is far more money to be made on other aspects of pharmaceutical, and a couple of the companies had to be 'convinced' through incentives to continue focusing on immunisation.   It's worth noting here too, that the comment form IAS has no consideration at all to the risk of the disease, it's like they just can't grasp that there is a disease that is being immunised against.  Reason not to vaccinate = No.  A good potential script for Hollywood?  Perhaps.
18. Herd immunity by means of vaccination is a LIE the pharmaceutical companies use to make parents feel bad for not vaccinating their children (http://www.ias.org.nz/vaccines/how-many-are-practicing-herd-immunity/).  Again note the reliance on the information on their own site to validate this point.   The NSW Government determined that these agenda driven anti-vaccination organisations did not give out accurate information on immunisation.  We really need to see the information from reputable websites prior to taking it as fact, and this has not been supplied, because there isn't any evidence to support their opinion.   Reason not to vaccinate - No.    
19. Vaccines are regularly being withdrawn from the market due to adverse reactions, (http://www.whale.to/v/withdrawn.html) - Untrue.  In fact, you can't get much more desperate than relying on whale.to to validate a point.   No immunisation on the childhood schedule has been withdrawn from market due to adverse reaction since they changed the whooping cough vaccination decades ago. Indeed, the change in vaccination to one that is less effective but less prone to side effects pretty much puts paid to may of the farcical claims of the anti vaccination lobby.  Reason not to vaccinate - No.
20. In New Zealand, 65% of people who contracted whooping cough in 2012 were vaccinated! (http://www.ias.org.nz/press-releases/whooping-cough-ias-questions-moh-push-of-ineffective-vaccine/)
21. “Most children who catch measles were already vaccinated” (http://www.naturalnews.com/033399_vaccines_measles.html#ixzz1Vz5pOA00) - Another deliberate misconception using an agenda driven website to support their opinion.   There is no actual evidence that more vaccinated children get measles than unvaccinated.  Indeed in Northern New South Wales in 2012 40 children were hospitalised due to measles and all 40 were unvaccinated.   Reason not to vaccinate - No.
22. Even ex-vaccine developers are coming out and exposing the lies that the vaccination industry is based on (http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/ex-vaccine-developer-reveals-lies-the-vaccine-industry-is-built-upon-in-interview/) - If only they could find this information on reputable websites their job would be a lot easier.   A disgruntled ex employee supposedly outs an employer?   Really? is this the tongue in cheek they are talking about?  Sounds like it.  Reason not to vaccinate - No.
23. The swine flu vaccine caused an increase of narcolepsy cases in children recently (http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/committee/topics/influenza/pandemic/h1n1_safety_assessing/narcolepsy_statement/en/).   The swine flu vaccination is not on the childhood schedule, accordingly i'm not going to bother commenting on it.  Flu vaccination is a matter for you to discuss with your GP, not with an anti vaccination lobby group on the internet.  Reason not to vaccinate - probably not.
24. At least one death in NZ has been linked to the Gardasil vaccine (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10825493)
25. …and four more deaths from Gardasil in India (http://healthfreedoms.org/2010/04/17/hpv-cancer-vaccine-programme-suspended-after-4-girls-die/) - again with the reliance on non reputable websites.  There have been no recorded deaths due to Gardasil in New Zealand or Australia.  However, there have been numerous deaths due to cervical cancer, and there has been a marked decrease in the instance of HPV since Gardasil was released.  When speaking to your GP about this vaccination, don't forget to ask about Cervical Cancer, it's survival rates and what a woman goes through prior to death.   It's quite nasty. Reason not to vaccinate - No.
26. Homeless people died after being paid £1-2 to participate in a vaccine trial (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/2235676/Homeless-people-die-after-bird-flu-vaccine-trial-in-Poland.html).  Interesting a UK based newspaper, talking about Poland.  Last time I was in Poland, the currency was not pounds.  In fact, i'm pretty sure it has never been.    Ah, I see, someone the IAS is trying to link the illegal action of a few people, who were testing an untried vaccination that is not part of the schedule with the vaccinate schedule .. that feels a tad desperate to me, even if it were true.  I think this too may be one of their tongue in cheeks.   Reason not to vaccinate = Not unless you're a homeless person in Poland who wants a couple of zloty by testing out some untried vaccine.
27. Since the 1980’s, vaccine manufacturers in the USA have been protected from lawsuits following vaccine injury (http://www.prisonplanet.com/legal-immunity-set-for-swine-flu-vaccine-makers.html).  Last time I looked, New Zealand was not part of the United States and once again,, an unreputable website relied on to validate their statement.  Reason not to vaccinate - No
28. Vaccination is being used to REDUCE fertility and reduce the worldwide population (http://www.infowars.com/rockefeller-foundation-developed-vaccines-for-%E2%80%9Cmass-scale%E2%80%9D-fertility-reduction/).  I'm sure it's not as effective as war and famine, but seriously this has to be one of the most ludicrous statements from the anti vaccinationists.   Of course, it could be said to be true as if they can stop their babies dying of these preventable diseases, they don't need to have so many.  The birth rates in 1st world countries fell dramatically too when all our babies stopped dying of diphtheria, measles, small pox etc.  Reason not to vaccinate - No.
29.  The pro-vaccine movement openly admits that it is willing to sacrifice some lives in order to “save” many. I’m not willing to risk that my child is that one that will get sacrificed due to vaccine damage.   Again, another ludicrous and hypocritical statement.   The IAS is not willing to risk their child to vaccine damage, but are willing to risk the child to vaccine preventable disease death.  Indeed, by allowing unvaccinated children to interact with others, they put the  lives of all newborns and immune compromised children at risk as well,  It's an incredibly selfish attitude and not one I share.    Reason to not vaccinate - No. Reason to discuss concerns with your doctor - sure.
30. Ian’s story: www.iansvoice.org/ There is actually no evidence that this child died due to the vaccination, although i'm a little torn on this one.   However, having said that, he is a single baby and while his death is tragic there have been 13 deaths due to whooping cough in the UK alone.    1 death is a tragedy, 13 preventable deaths a disaster.  Reason to not vaccinate - No.  Reason to seek advice from your GP.  Yes.
31. Stephanie’s story: http://naturematters.info/
    1. And I couldn’t resist throwing in some celebrities who do not vaccinate their kids or at least question the effectiveness and safety of vaccines: Mayim Bialik (Amy Farah-Fowler from Big Bang Theory) – http://www.kveller.com/mayim-bialik/vaccinations-and-other-things-i-dont-want-to-discuss/
    2. Jenny McCarthy (http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1888718,00.html)
    3. Jim Carrey (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-carrey/the-judgment-on-vaccines_b_189777.html)
    4. Rob Schneider (http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=5cfdf83b1169a047f532a3c4717a9513)
    5. Donald Trump (http://www.naturalnews.com/035486_Donald_Trump_vaccines_autism.html)
    6. The legendary Chuck Norris (http://www.wnd.com/2011/11/364949/)
    7. Even Dr Oz’s wife doesn’t allow him to vaccinate their kids! ((http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGNn_prJXhg)     Celebrities who do not vaccinate have no more information or knowledge on the subject than any other group of people.   Indeed Mayim Bialik does not discuss whether she vaccinates or not and is certainly not an advocate to not vaccinate.   Jenny McCarthy is a drug addled ex porn star who won't vaccinate but will inject botox.   Hardly pillars of our society that we would look up to.    Reason not to vaccinate - No.  Reason to not seek celebrity status - fuck yes.

Antivax 101: The tactics and Tropes

http://www.skepticnorth.com/2012/04/antivax-101-tactics-and-tropes-of-the-antivaccine-movement/


For EVERY SINGLE anti vaccination statement, there is a response in the linked document.

Link it as a reference for when you're chatting to the nutjobs.

Who lives here?

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The Skeptic in the room

Catchy little tune :-)

Penn & Teller on Vaccination

A nice example for the simple minded ....

AVN gets a well deserved smackdown

Well deserved, take a listen to the Dorey at the end ... deflection, dishonesty, death ....  all words that fit really ...